Reporting a points farming course

I don’t know how or where I should report this, but the following is broken http://www.memrise.com/course/1262788/become-a-hacker/

I thought it’d be study material for pen testing. Instead, it is garbage.

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I just had a look! It is just the number ONE in every single level!!! Unbelievable! This course needs deleting double quick and the course “creator” needs a good telling off!

Hey, you slag the “course” off as much as you want, but I think I finally have the number 1 DOWN. :joy:

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There’s nothing special or urgent about reporting these types of useless courses. Anyone who wants to gain points for nothing can make their own private course consisting of nothing but the number “1”, and nobody would know, so what’s the big deal?

Moreover, this isn’t a bug, so it doesn’t belong in the “Bug Control” category at all, and it isn’t specifically related to the Memrise web interface, therefore it doesn’t belong in the “Web Bugs” sub-category either.

So why is it posted here?

No person in their right mind would stay all day just farming points on Memrise, cheaters will use other means to do that, userscripts and macros, and still there will be no point in doing that, we are here to learn, in the end of the day, you can have a billion points on Memrise, but if you didn’t learn anything what’s the point… Chill out people and just learn, try to beat those called cheaters, even if you don’t you are still learning and progressing in real life.

About the course, just don’t join it, take a look at the contents before you join a given course. There is no need to remove the course, just don’t join so it will stay at the bottom. Honestly people know better than to use these “underhanded” means to make some thousands of points… I could make 500k points in a day by legit means instead of that, the biggest problem is time, which is a common variable.

“Broken” courses like these make Memrise more labyrinthine so excising them makes sense. Maybe its not a bug but a tumor? But we don’t have a category for tumors. The topic starter and other posters also wanted to report it, and the bugs categories are the place for that and the only place where staff will look (and I then use Web Bugs as a default catch-all).

Edit: I can see your point too as well though. I’m not sure which of the two positions is better.

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Agreed. I think it brings down the credibility of the site as a whole when it’s harder to decipher which courses are legit.

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Not necessarily, this kind of thing happens when users are free to create content… If there was a course which ‘Memrise’ created with such content then it would be a problem… The good news is that users tend to naturally boycott useless courses.
Let’s say Memrise deleted the course, the next minute the course creator would make it again.
Let’s say Memrise deleted the user, the next minute he would make a fake email and join again.
Ad infinitum.
Just be mindful of the courses. Good courses will naturally grow and bad courses will wither.
Memrise can develop tools to assist this process, but they don’t need to. If they do is points to them, if they don’t they don’t lose anything. Improvement is always good for the users though.

Do the garbage courses just pile up at the bottom for infinity, then, or are they ever removed?

I’ve only been on the site for about a week, so I’m still figuring it all out.

We don’t have to agree with the course creator’s means or motives, but the course is not broken, but rather is working exactly as its creator intended.

Saying that the course has no value, and should be removed from public view is a subjective judgment, but the course itself isn’t hurting anyone, as nobody is forced to take it. I think that a far more serious problem is the numerous supposedly serious language courses that have insidious errors, which teach people wrong information, but I wouldn’t even report those courses in the Bug Control category.

So I disagree with putting these reports in this category that the memrise bug control team monitors. In my opinion, it wastes their time with needless notifications, and distracts them from the numberous real bugs that cause real users problems.

I would suggest that these types of reports be placed in the “Non-language Courses Reports and Requests” topic, and include a tag for Lien to look at them when she gets around to it, as it is hardly a high priority problem.

1 they do eat memrise capacities, consume resources, these pseudo-courses; 2 imagine spending hours looking for courses on a certain topic, and click click on all sort of k****. 3 kiddies “creating” these kind of courses, so they can show their points counter to teachers or similar stuff could spend exactly the same amount of time learning something.

There is quite a number of points farming courses on memrise, they should be deleted. all of them.

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@xvg11, okay you’ve convinced me.

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You know you can open the course and see it’s contents before you join right?

Well, for starters you’d better not be searching for courses at the bottom, only if you finished all the good courses at the top that might interest you, if you then don’t find the content you like you can create a course just for you or the community alike, and then the ecosystem can thrive. The majority of the courses here are created organically by the community, you will find all types of things, believe me.

Memrise is not perfect, certainly there are many aspects in which it could improve. But think about it, they aren’t in a multi-million dollar business, they are doing the best they can, providing something invaluable that most people don’t care.

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Well, for starters you’d better not be searching for courses at the bottom, only if you finished all the good courses at the top that might interest you,
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…except that new user-created courses start life at the bottom of the list. So that’s where you might find a real gem. :slight_smile:

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You are completely right, but I didn’t mean it that way, perhaps I used the wrong words, look the rest of my reply, I mean that you should prioritize courses at the top because they are known, if you don’t find it then you shift your attention to the bottom, without expecting too much, after that you either give up or create your own course. That’s my way of doing it though, not imposing it on anyone, I just believe it can help. Uh, and also considering the search for a good course as a recursive behavior not a journey of days or months. :yum:

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Ah, yes. ‘Death by continuous scrolling’. :scream:

Now you are being silly, aw stop it… :blush: LOL

I do now, thanks! :smiley:

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As someone new to Memrise, I assure you that finding this has tarnished your brand. Seeing the response, “it isn’t hurting anyone” tarnishes that brand further, since apathy is never a good thing in customer relations and is unprofessional. My desire to become a paying member has diminished significantly now.

To clarify, no one from the Memrise staff has commented on this particular issue yet. This thread has just been a discussion between users so far. Some see it as a problem, while others don’t.

I’ve seen the staff respond to courses like this by deleting them in the past. Whether or not that’s still their policy though, I couldn’t say.

My two cents: courses like this only serve to further cheapen the whole ‘points’ system. Whether you like the feature or not, it is part of Memrise, and it would make sense to try to maintain the integrity of it as much as possible. More importantly, I also agree that courses like this can potentially drown out the ‘budding’ courses if left completely unchecked, which people put loads more time and effort into building than ‘courses’ like this.

I understand that the staff can’t be expected to be everywhere at once and catch everything right away, but when an obvious abuse like this is brought to everyone’s attention, why not take a moment to deal with it?

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