[Course Forum] CarpeLanam's Duolingo Latin - Sentences by zsocipuszmak

I don’t think they have done anything yet, but there might be one of those A/B tests going on. I was able to find the vocabulary post easily enough: classified vocabulary list. I hope this works for you. And if not, yes, I do have Word files of all my lessons as backups. I would like not to have to re-post everything though! My computer/technical expertise is pretty limited.

It’s turning out to be a really busy stretch for me so I appreciate everyone’s patience with the lack of new lessons. I need to tackle relative pronouns and some of the complex clause constructions soon, and that will require a little more thought than usual.

That’s the link I used for the vocabulary, too, but strangely enough it sometimes works sometimes not, I was able to load the page yesterday, but right now it’s not working again (just for me apparently), also at one time it worked with Internet Explorer, but only gave an error with any other browser I tried :confused: Fortunately I already managed to save the word list to excel, so I’m working from there since then.

I have a question for you about the principal parts, though: I noticed that with the irregular verbs derived from ‘eo’ the 4th PP sometimes ends with ‘-us’ sometimes with ‘-um’. For example you listed ‘transeo -> transitus’, ‘exeo -> exitum’. Is there a specific reason for this or is it optional?

Feel free to take as much time with the preparation of the upcoming lessons as you need, I didn’t want to sound as if I’m hurrying you, it’s just that I really enjoy these lessons and am always eagerly looking forward to the next one :blush: But you already provided us with so much material I’m sure nobody can say there’s nothing to learn until the next lesson. Even for me, someone who practices the sentences almost every day, there is 1000+ items lined up for review and I can’t say at all that I already mastered everything you thought so far, so this break comes in handy for reviewing the earlier lessons.
Thank you again for everything!

There’s now another little course joining the CarpeLanam’s franchise :slight_smile: , and it’s teaching the principal parts of the verbs we learned:

Please post here any feedback regarding that course as well.

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The vocabulary link not working seems to be a problem that is more widespread. After testing it on my husband’s computer and getting a “404” error, I put a post on the troubleshooting forum and now I have a bug report in. It seems to be a problem for a few other non-Latin posts. I have some travel coming up so I’ll be out of touch for a bit. But in a few weeks, after making more inquiries, I may just repost my vocabulary file in a new forum post.

As for verb principal parts, I am following the example of Henle Latin, which notes

> “The perfect participle passive is given in the masculine in all verbs that use it in all genders; otherwise it is given in the neuter (e.g., in intransitive verbs). Some verbs have no perfect participle passive; the future participle active is then given as the fourth principal part (e.g. haereo, haerere, haesi, hasurus, 2, intr., ‘cling’).”

I like this way of distinguishing intransitive from transitive verbs, but Wheelock’s Latin uses only the -um ending for all 4th principal parts, and other texts do this as well. It’s a stylistic choice, so not terribly important in the long run.

Thanks for all your support and encouragement! Do you have a first name other than zsocipuszmak?

Katherine (Kathy)

Thanks so much for looking into the matter with the 404 error on the vocab list. The problem does not seem to go away (at least I’m still able to acces it exclusively with Internet Explorer), so unless the moderators can do something about it, perhaps it’s indeed best to post it anew.

Also thanks for the clarification on the forms of the 4th Principal Part, it all makes sense now! I think I’ll add a hint with the attributes on the 4th principal part if it’s not the standard masculine perfect participle passive to make the unconventional verbs easily recognizable and memorizable in the new course.

I’m happy to help you make the most out of your efforts to introduce us to this beautiful language, and by making the lessons more accessible and effective for everyone at least I can express my gratitude other than in just words for sacrificing your time and sharing your knowledge free of charge with all of us. :slight_smile:

oh and my real name is Eszter :wink:
Have a great time on your trip and thanks again for everything!

Hi, thanks so much for this course!

I presume that “mulltos” in “Paula libros mulltos emebat.” in the imperfect level is a typo?

Yes, it must be, thanks for reporting it! :slight_smile:

Hi there, in lesson 3, the phrase “Nautae sunt in culinā” is accepted but “Nautae in culinā sunt” is rejected.

That’s strange, it should be accepted, as it is added as an alternative answer. First I thought maybe it’s because of the macron on the letter ‘a’, but even the macron version is added for this sentence.

(In general try not to use macrons in your answers, because for some reason Memrise ignores accents for the default solutions but not in case of alternative answers, and I didn’t go the extra mile and to add both versions as alternatives for the relevant sentences. It would be just too much extra work, sorry :sweat: )

Here is some feedback, having done the first few exercises:

  • The course has the potential to be better than a Duolingo course, because it could give some helpful grammar tips, eg “this section you learn the common forms of nouns, when they are the thing being ‘done to’ and the thing that belongs to someone. These are called “accusative” and “genitive”. You can see the forms laid out >> here if you want to see the rules and learn more about them.”
  • It may just be me but I am doing much better with this course by referencing the exercises to actual grammar and tables so I understand what I am learning (i do the same with German on Duolingo for the same reason, I can’t learn declensions or full parts of verbs without some grammar references!)
  • I was confused as to why ‘multas insulas’ was acceptable but ‘insulas multas’ was not. A tip here and there as to why something might be right or wrong would be helpful (in this case, that adjectives of size and quantity go before the noun).
  • Audio would also really help, if you could find some volunteers.
  • The course overall is excellent practice as it helps learn real sentences. It deserves a lot more use and promotion.

It’s also got me thinking about doing more courses and exercises in this style, to build vocab or refresh knowledge of parts of verbs / declensions. Just a thought!

Thanks, if I see something again I will try to get a screenshot to help debug better.

In exercise 4, there is reference to “agricola bona”. Surely this should be “agricola bonus” as a masculine noun?

Thanks for the feedback, Jim, I’m happy you like the course and find it helpful :slight_smile: Please note that this was not meant to be used as a standalone Latin learning tool, but to use in conjunction with the Latin lessons the user CarpeLanam (Kathy, a high school Latin teacher) presented on the forum of duolingo.com in the absence of a real Duolingo Latin course. The links to all her lessons to date are compiled here: https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/8053459
We also have two other Memrise courses connected to these lessons: CarpeLanam’s own vocabulary course (I recommend to learn the words there first before practicing the sentences in this course): https://www.memrise.com/course/748509/latin-for-duolingo/, and I also made on just for practicing the verb principal parts: https://www.memrise.com/course/1493103/carpelanams-duolingo-latin-verb-principal-parts/
Every lesson in this course contains the example sentences she gave in the particular forum entries covering various grammatical and thematic subjects resembling the usual style of the Duolingo app, and this Memrise course helps to “emulate” the Duolingo experience in making the users not just read but actively practice the given examples. In her lessons she always covers the relevant grammar and other linguistic conventions, like the ones you mentioned, and in lot of the lessons she also links to other helpful resources we can use to deepen our understanding of the particular subjects, so I strongly recommend to start there.
Unfortunately if someone finds this course first, it can be difficult to recover it’s original source (it’s only stated in the one paragraph course description which is not very noticable), and I already asked Memrise if they would consider giving the creators the option to write a little description for each lesson (where I could at least link back to the Duolingo forum it originates from), but they ignored it, so the only way to give a little extra info for each lesson would be to create an adjoining multimedia lesson for each one and maybe copy paste the forum posts there, but I think that would make the course unnecessarily bloated and students wouldn’t have the opportunity to give feedback or get help from the original creator, CarpeLanam, as they do on the Duolingo forum. Regardless, I’ll try to find a solution to somehow make the original source more conspicous.
Regarding the audio, yes that would be awesome, but unfortunately that would mean we have to decide if we go with the ecclesiastical or classical pronunciation which would make a lot of people disappointed either way, and on top of that sadly I don’t know anyone who is on that high level in Latin, that they would be able to use the correct accentuations and vowel lenghts either, so for the time being I think it’s best left as it is.

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You mean the sentence “Memoria agricolae bona est.”? (It’s the only one I found with these words.) In this case it’s because ‘bona’ refers to the feminine noun ‘memoria’.

Ah ok, you’re right in fact, my mistake!

Thanks for all that. If Duolingo ever do a Latin course they will have the same problem about pronunciation of course. FWIW I think most teaching in most countries tends towards classical / restored these days.

Did you see this about their GrammarBot?

It’s probably a lot of work but could be another way to build in grammar explanations into the langauge learning stages.

I don’t really know how these Grammarbots work in practice as I’m not a Memrise Pro user. In concept it could be useful I guess especially for Latin, but I don’t think Memrise even has an official Latin course, and these chat and grammar bots only available for some of the courses the Memrise team developed, not for the user created ones.

I think that is right. Meanwhile: another small error, in the second declension exercise five:

Paula et Lucia dona puellis dant.

Paule et Lucia puellis dona dant.

Note in the second version of the sentence Paula has an e.

Thank you, I corrected it.