[Course Forum] Brazilian Portuguese 1 - 7 by Memrise

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(Ignacio) #77

Hi @FerencCollins82.

I understand your point.
Trying to make it even clearer (with the little space and time provided by a flash card in a speed review), I’ve updated those strings again, now it reads:
a.m. (time; morning)
p.m. (time; afternoon)
p.m. (time; evening)

As you said, there’s not much I can do beyond content changes (i.e., changing the layout itself).

Thank you and I hope you enjoy our courses!

Regards,

Ignacio


(Kajo76) #78

I’m a new user and just discovered, that there seem to be 2 courses for each level of Brazilian Portuguese. Look here: https://www.memrise.com/user/Memrise/courses/teaching/ and scroll all the way down to Portuguese (Brazilian) 1 (till 7).

The second course Portuguese (Brazilian) 2 is even 1 hour shorter/longer than the other one. Which one of them should be learned? :thinking:

Just wanted to see all the official Brazilian Portuguese courses and that’s what confused me a little :slight_smile:


(Thomas Heiss) #79

Hi @Kajo76

Thanks for bringing this to my attention.

English (UK) vs English (US).

Sometimes for the lower courses English-us has more hours, but for PT BR7 the English (UK) version is longer.

PT BR 7: 9h (UK) vs 7h (US)
PT BR6: 8h (US) vs 7h (UK)
PT BR5: 8h (US) vs 7h (UK)
PT BR2: 7h (US) vs 6h (UK)

I would have to start learning the US versions to see the final words count and be able to make comparisons.


(Kajo76) #80

@Thomas.Heiss:
Ah, this makes sense! :slightly_smiling_face:
Just saw, that I’m learning the UK version. I think I have to switch to the US version then.

Here is a comparison between them (at least for the word counts):

  1. UK 208 - US 204
  2. UK 371 - US 391
  3. UK 673 - US 684
  4. UK 163 - US 169
  5. UK 433 - US 471
  6. UK 441 - US 471
  7. UK 545 - US 545

Btw: Are there also sentences in there? Or are these courses almost only about vocabulary? :slight_smile:


(Kajo76) #81

Just learned the word “my, mine”, which is “meu (minha; meus; minhas)” - if the question is coming up later, do I really need to type it exactly this way or is Memrise able to understand, if I only type “meu” or “minha” into the text field? :thinking:


(Ignacio) #82

Hi @Kajo76,

In these cases, our tests will normally recognize as a correct answer if you type only what is not within parenthesis.

So, in your example, typing “meu” will be already taken as a right answer. Note, however, that you will need to press enter/ok to submit it, while when you do type the entire/exact answer, the system will automatically recognize it.

Hope this clarifies your question!

Regards,

Ignacio


(Kajo76) #83

Thanks! :slight_smile:
Then I hope I recall that and don’t use “minha” for “my”, because I suddenly only think of that.

By the way: I saw that a lot of definite/indefinite articles (a/o/uma/um) were left out of Course 1. As some other people in this thread also mentioned it, I guess there could be other courses lacking the articles, too.

Can you take a look when you have time? :slight_smile:

Right now it’s not a problem for me, as I have an Portuguese/English dictionary at hand and could look it up. But I’m thinking about other people coming to Memrise who maybe aren’t aware, that one has to learn the articles, too.


(Ignacio) #84

Hi @Kajo76.

Thanks for your message and sorry for my delay in answering it.

Could you please give me some examples of missing articles in our courses?

Thanks,

Ignacio


(Kajo76) #85

No problem :slight_smile:

Just looked through all the words in Portuguese 1:

These are all the words without an article (o/a). The number = level

3
razão
fome
sede

4
comida
pão
macarrão
arroz
carne
salada
sopa
queijo
peixe
água
café
chá
cerveja
vinho
leite
suco
molho
manteiga

6
Brasil
Inglaterra

Also there are some words, which have an indefinite article only (um/uma). These words are missing with their definite article.

2
um nome
um gênio

4
uma batata
um legume
uma fruta
uma maçã
uma banana
uma laranja
um limão
um lanche
um ovo

7
um número
um telefone

9
um restaurante
uma mesa
um cardápio
uma conta
uma faca
um garfo
uma colher

Or even words like “dia” or “noite”, which aren’t explained directly, because they come in pairs with “bom” or “boa” :slight_smile:

Is there a way to give a little introduction for a course? Maybe about the use of articles (definite/indefinite)? If so, then one only would need to define one article (either definite or indefinite) and it would be clear to learners.

So if a word has the indefinite article “uma” the definite article is (at least most of the time) automatically “a” :slight_smile:


(Ignacio) #86

Hi @Kajo76.

Now I see your point. Thank you!

In fact, as these words already have their audio recorded, it would be hard to redo the whole course. What could be a solution for level 1 is to add, within parenthesis, the definite article for these nouns (like (a) razão; (a) fome; (a) sede, etc.).

It might be helpful to introduce articles and distinguish masculine and feminine nouns, but it would not force learners to use them in their answers (as what is within parenthesis does not need to be input in answers for them to be recognized as correct).

For those with indefinite articles, basically "um" is masculine and "uma" is feminine (i.e., their respective definite articles would be "o" and "a"). Maybe adding a MEM with this brief instruction would be enough.

What do you think? Hope this helps!

Regards,

Ignacio